Slán, Debra @118491 I think you're correct in saying that it must have been because they settled in the Five Points district, NYC.The Irish Potato Famine caused for a booming Irish population in Five Points, as the land decreased in value due to unclean living conditions.Also, there were African-Americans living there at the time who'd been recently released from slavery.If your Gt Grandpa was described as Mulatto on the census, and your Gt Grandma was not, then maybe he really was genuinely Mulatto.It's not impossible for Mulatto people who are Irish to look more like their Irish parent, or vice versa.I've been doing some research myself on the Irish in general and their experiences around the world (UK, US, and Australia). I'm more English culturally, though several generations from which I was directly descended were Irish. Since her mother was clearly "colored", her birth certificate actually says "Tan" on the line for race - no kidding - they knew they shouldn't call her white, but they didn't see a colored baby before them. My mother particularly looked like an african baby. Either way, the features of the Fir Bolg may be attributed to the appearance of the BlackIrish people of today.The Gypsies are a people with stark features among their European counterparts.

I'm trying to find the root of the Black Irish cause that's what she swears she is. It also concluded that the closest genetic race to Irish is Basque from guess where, the Iberian peninsula. I don't appreciate your tone either. Read my question and if you have an answer post it. On the census Gt grandpa was described as a Mulatto yet on the marriage certificate lines which specifically asked the race both were identified as white by the priest. My mother is black Irish mainly and a bit of English. I think it's funny when Black folks of African descent think it means they are black Irish because they have a last name like Green. no offense to irish americans but i am so sick of being considered the same. Black Irish originated with the founding population genetics of the British Isles immediately following the last ice age. But I will be having genetic testing done soon. Her family bible goes back to medieval times. The last names were traditional Irish names(fairly common). That said, most groups that have a relatively high incidence of redheads are groups with mostly dark hair (brown and black). I think black-irish should only be used for the unusual traits of very light skin and Blue/green eyes with a very fair completion.

Does this make them any less Irish? anon255340 March 16, 2012 Commonly used in England where Irish immigrants did much of the manual labour. Very interesting. So we ourselves in addition to the other two elements, I believe, resulted in the occurrence. However, all the theories are hotly contested among Historians except for the Montserrat theory. Europeans generally most closely resemble their neighbours, so the Irish are closest to the people in western Britain, and quite close to the English, while the eastern and southern English are quite close to the continental peoples to the east. My grandfather was "black Irish" and from my knowledge it's because the Spaniards invaded the country and raped the women, and that's why there are dark colored, brown eyed Irish men and women.I'm glad a guy in a similar topic showed me this post. The term "Black Dutch" also is believed to have been used by American Indians for this purpose.In addition to her work as a freelance writer for wiseGEEK, Diane is the executive editor of

It's the same DNA that Armenians have today. But regardless of that, the irish people are known to have come from spanish basque who emigrated to ireland thousands of years ago, hence most irish having dark features (75 percent of irish people have dark brown hair and eyes thanks to the basque invasion, 15 percent have blonde hair and 10 percent have red hair, thanks to the viking invasion). They turned light later. However, the actual origin of the term BlackIrish is still a hotly contested subject among many people.We hope you enjoy MyrealIreland.com. But is that my race? She claimed to be of "Black Irish" descent on her mother's side (her mother or grandmother may have been part Indian in the Missouri Territory). The skin color is not the "dark" part, but the hair. I think I read somewhere that this was because of Irish people and the Moors integrated. I am African American of Irish and other European decent. Some Irish call themselves natives in reference to the fact that they owned Ireland before their people were forced to "speak English or be black". Not sure where the term comes from, but I know during Irish slavery when the Irish were shipped as white cargo to the Americas and the West Indies as slaves, they were bred with African slaves to so called "create" a better and cheaper slave (than an African slave). My two sons both have the blonde color hair also, but my sister was born with red/orange hair. My great-great grandfather, from County Tipperary, was one of them. The Irish potato famine was also a time of many deaths due to a disease known as Black Fever.

My father was of irish descent, my mother scottish. anon9141 sounds like a mixture similar to the Melungeons. Interesting posts.

R they really known for insanity? The whole pale thing with red hair is nothing more than myth! Typically, they were farmers, miners, fishermen -- you get the drift. no1 has yet answered my question... does any1 have an answer 4 me? My friend bought me a Black Irish T-shirt because my mother is black and my father is half black, half Irish.

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